Ju-Su two planets in one sign - Some classic thoughts
Source .. Bhrigu Nadi one factor astrology to test ….
Person is devotional and very reliable, father popular man …..
Can learn Veda texts … if Brahmin … good pandit and astrologer is better base for career …
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Our sages very well segregate astral bodies of planets in deep space and its causative traits impact on nativities on the earth.
I know only one Su & Ju as planet taking maximum around a month for conjunction so not possible that everyone born is reliable, devotional and father popular man born in that month as every year this will happen … comprehensive approach needed to say any or two or all of the above traits applicable or not… and that is the testing move …
This is testing move and this is one factor astrology as said not applicable to each and every chart or even not applicable on maximum chart … possibly few charts only it is applicable which I want to study… there is no method or dicta that applicable 100% on all… this kind of configuration is guide line and starting point only rest depends only on testing of practical charts with holistic approach.
My learning journey will keep going on with classics…
By the way Jataka Parijata says [Ch-8Shloka-1 Ranjan Publication] Su+Ju conjunction bestows traits like faithful, active, wealthy and pleasing the king with his works. You may test this and give me your insights ….
Yet another classics Saravali says [Ch-15 Shloka-5 Ranjan Publication] that Su-Ju together one will be virtuous, be a minister of king. Will gain through friends, be with good mind and be a preceptor.
The list can go on…..
See, how we fail to understand the wisdom and working efficacy of these kinds of dictums given by sages and scholars from time to time over the years …
Person is devotional and very reliable, father popular man …..
Can learn Veda texts … if Brahmin … good pandit and astrologer is better base for career …
"Person is devotional and very reliable [yes], father popular man [only if the Sun is strong] Can learn Veda texts [yes]… if Brahman … good pandit [yes] and astrologer [only if other planets & houses support, otherwise there's no understanding of Jyotish] ] is better base for career [Yes] … this one view please give your insights ...
Yes you pick up the correct one thanks a lot for the reply. The assertion is the simplest form of initiation of leaning and the language suggest that Ju-Su is in good position, benefice in nature. It is karaka elements of devotion and reliable for Ju & Su so yes. Father is popular man indicates that Sun is exalted or own sign with benefice Ju. So we can infer 1-5-9 signs in Kendra or trikona.
Ju-Su is Veda so again both in good position to bestow learning ability of Veda, rituals & astrology. For its proficiency and to decipher its codes one more support is needed like d9 as it is ‘dharma amsha’ 9H of d9 ‘gyaanamsha’. This is one option or view only you may find other support also of your choice. Better base of career means again Sun the 10H karaka and Ju the natural karaka of fortune and growth so it is said; again we can infer that Su-Ju in 10th house of career . Rest the field is wide open. The more you logical and legitimate in your finding more you will be superfine.
Our classic texts are full of this kind of simplest assertions to initiate the learning, develop it and to go at higher level. Please do not mix up two three things in the name of holistic approach at the initial stage of learning. The assertion is the simplest form of initiation of leaning and the language suggest that Ju-Su is in good position, benefice in nature. This also so as if there is combustion or planet debilitated, the result will be different, assertion will be different and shloka will be different, this is basic.
See the above said traits here for example this is from Bhrigu so karaka element is envisaged.
It is karaka elements of devotion and reliable for Ju & Su so yes. Father is popular man indicates that Sun is exalted or own or fried sign with benefice Ju. So we can infer 1-5-9 signs in Kendra or trikona. Ju-Su is Vedang so again both in good position to bestow learning ability of Veda, rituals & astrology. For its proficiency and to decipher its codes one more support is needed like d9 as it is ‘dharma amsha’ 9H of d9 ‘gyaanamsha’. This is one option or view only you may find other support also of your choice. Better base of career means again Sun the 10H karaka and Ju the natural karaka of fortune and growth so it is said; we can add Su-Ju in 10H of career. Rest the field is wide open. The more you logical and legitimate in your finding more you will be superfine.
Next post will be further highlights of this with practical charts … if time permits …
Classic texts that are most acceptable and refer to most by practicing astrologers must be kept handy for the base of your prediction
Ju-Su in Sg sign in 2H Sg Asc [male native]
Ju-Su = Bhrigu = native is devotional nature [Ju], reliable[Su], faithful[Ju] helping nature [Ju debilitated]
Jataka Parijata says [Ch-8Shloka-1 Ranjan Publication] Su+Ju conjunction bestows traits like faithful, active, wealthy and pleasing the king with his works. You may test this and give me your insights ….
Faithful-active-wealthy means Ju in Kendra or kona in own-exalted-friendly sign wealthy active means Mars sign and faith worthy means kendra. Sun is career-King and Ju is counseling or work success, growth so 10H is ‘rajya bhava’.
Saravali says [Ch-15 Shloka-5 Ranjan Publication] that Su-Ju together one will be virtuous, be a minister of king. Will gain through friends, be with good mind and be a preceptor.
Virtuous means Ju is powerful in kona with Sun king and Ju-minister, gain through friends means Ju is connected to 11H of gain, mind and preceptor skill 5H so this is strong Ju-Su in 5H in own-exalted sign, strong.
Traits can be given if Ju-Su is strong sign wise and house wise as strongest planet can give the traits… this is the starting of leaning …
Ju-Su in 2H in Sg sign --= JP548/62-63= [Su] liberal, possessed of property in minerals, cherish even ill-wishers, eloquent = [Ju] eloquent, comfortable meals, vast wealth and bestow liberal gifts. Sg sign=Saravali = [Sun]Sc Asc He will attain an enviable position in life, and enjoy a long span of life. … If the Sun at birth Is In Sagittarius, one will be endowed with wealth, be dear to king, learned, will respect gods and Brahmins, be skilful in rendering training in use of weapons and arrows and breeding of elephants, be fit to deal with, be honorable, be always peaceful, be rich, will possess a broad and beautiful physique, be helpful to relatives, and be energetic.
Ju = If Jupiter occupies Sagittarius at birth, one will be a preceptor, will conduct religious vows, initiations, sacrifices etc., will have lasting wealth, be charitable, be friendly to his own men, be fond of helping others, interested in sastras, be the head of a zone or a minister, will live in many countries, will prefer loneliness and be interested in visiting shrines.
Sc Asc = Ju = Sg 2H = The native will have attractive face, big teeth, big lips, big nose and thick eye-brows. He takes birth in a very affluent family and will not be aware of any kind of monetary difficulties till the end of his life. He will unfailingly have a long life, will be honored by one and all and will be a successful man.
Bhrigu sutra says Sun in 2H may give loss of wealth when inimical, lord of house of harm or debilitated.
These primary indications will be very much helpful to you to decide most important aspect of life or question asked …
Method for Job security from good/benefice Su-Ju conjunction --- based on our classical texts ….
BE SIMPLE IN YOUR PREDICTING ABILITY …. Look for repetitive link and factor to confirm the event …..
Please remember our classics are full of general & specific dicta being the base, starting factor, the guiding path. Language of the assertion of classical texts is the solid base, good or bad can be easily decipher by fundamentals, be a goose and grab which is essential and guiding rule for prudent assessment.
In Sep-2019, native asked me by mail …. Male native Ju+Su in 2H Sg sign
Previously he asked the question suggested prediction went satisfactory so asked again about Job and peace … when you are seeing practical charts… basic of classical texts will give you center point with guiding path of prediction from where you have to find other support and logics for better and sound assessment.
Classics finding on 2H Su-Ju in Sg sign is given below image with the horoscope d1 & d9
King i.e. higher authority favoring, wealth is sure, support is there for native, he is from prosperous family and having good perception-understanding of good and bad.
So the natal result here is good and supportive as 2H is wealth house 9th from Job-6H so fortune of job. So job is secure for the native for sure.
[Basic method derived from guiding rule of Chandra Kala Nadi B1 Shloka-2240] Lifelong settlement, riches and peace in Job needs other two factors, one that all ‘atha’ house lords be connected in any way with each other plus lord of fortune-9L with that and d9 support of ‘artha amsha’. Here first condition is not satisfied and next is support from d9 is there as both Ju-Su are in ‘artha amsha’ Sg & Le sign in d9. So again job security and peace in job is there.
Now why then question asked is easily recognize with transit and dasha … Sa+Ke transit in Sg sign and Dasha is that of Su-Ma then Ra where Ra depositor is Ve posited with Job lord Mars aspects Ra…..so peace disturbed and evil in career/job is feared and facing … this is more due to transit only can be concluded which is for 1&1/2 years though suffering is acute will decrease gradually, as transit Ju is helping… there is natal configuration also but that is separate topic so not touched here …… some point are not considered to restrict the post here
MAIN POINT of consideration is that we can recognize the security of career from classic base, which are natal results. And transit or dasha cannot overrule natal results please remember. There are exceptions and options, part of another discussion…
Next part will be discussed for Su-Ju in Aq sign in 8H of death… if
time permits me ….
Early Death for Ju-Su in 8H of death ---
Sun-Ju in Aq 8H for Ca Asc
Phala Dipika [ch-8, V-3] [Su in 8H] native lose his wealth and friends, not long lived, will have eye defect or blind. [Ju in 8H] native is poor, earn as menial, sinful but long lived.
Saravali [Ch-27 V22] Ju in Aq 8H Cancer ascendant: There will be miseries galore in the life of the native. He will lack paternal happiness, physical comforts, fortunes etc. He will acquire a wife who will be reckless in money matters and torment the native with unusual expenses. Su in Aq sign = [Ch-22V64/65] = suffer from heart disease & miser [other traits not given]… in Ca Asc in 8H = short lived, no bequeath form father …
JP = Ju in Aq = wanderer and trouble earner ; Su in Aq = lack children happiness; Ju in 8H = long lived but ignoble deeds, sagacious - learned; Sun in 8H = discontented
Sun in Aq aspected by Mars [Saravali] = native is troubled by disease & enemies, deformed and wounded by weapon in quarrels. Ju in Aq aspected by Mars = If by Mars, one will be valorous, be an army chief with the king, splendorous, well-dressed, famous and honor .
Early Death for Ju-Su in Aq sign in 8H of death ---
Sun-Ju in Aq 8H for Ca Asc
Attributes of Sun-Jupiter conjunction in Aq sign 8H for Ca Asc is given in here below image with horoscope
Finding is that though Ju is good for life Sun and Mars aspect is not desirable.
Native is discontented with family, was doing wondering Job of marketing, and was lacking parental happiness, married, no progeny, and secret heart disease as died premature of heart attack at the age of 27/28 years. So, short lived assertion of classics comes true for Sun. Ju is benefice is overruled by malefic Sun and Mars both inimical and natural malefic with 8L aspect over 8H is bad. JUST use the fundamental finding of the classics … you may find better way … as classic texts give us starting factor a guiding path which is most useful for sure ….
There are other factors also for premature death… but not covered as the post is for Su-Ju in the house of death. Many take 3H fro premature death i.e. before 48/50 age.
Death is possible in Sun dasha or Mars, Mo and Mer being sign depositor is Ju. 8L is Sa being depositor of Ju-Su so its dasha or evil transit over Sa or Mo or Asc [12-8-1] may bring death.
Death occurred in Mo dasha Mer bhukti, transit Sa-Ra was in Li 12th to 8L Sa. Everything is connected to Ju-Su is what I see … THIS IS ONE APPROACH ONLY … if you are expert and intelligent you may find other way … our classics has too many method to map death event…
Why and how to assess premature death is another topic… I would like to take but is not desirable at this junction …
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